TheSaintST1 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

No shit.. have you seen how old the bulk of their fleet is?????

fmoa (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

who cares eh,for those who say the f-22 is not maneuverable better look twice at this jet,coz from what i just saw,it can go toe 2 toe wit any russia jet eh,but 1 thing makes f-22 better than russia jets is technology,the f-22 av much better BVR combat capability,radar range,onboard avionics than any russian jets,plus wit this good agility,f-22 is more deadlier n equally maneuverable than what most russian loving idiot thinks..

fmoa (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

some say the f-22 can actually do this maneuvers in actual dogfight becuz it av internal weapons bay,no drag on the plane at all in real combat situation,the su's n migs on the other hand will av a hard time pulling this kind o maneuvers wit missiles n bombs strap on it,some claim russia planes can easily do this at airshows,but u hardly see em doing this maneuvers wit loaded weapons strap on russian jets,so no weapons russians more agile,with weapons on it,the yanks are more agile enit..

Spuddfluff (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I live right under where they practise and IT IS FUCKING LOUD, you cant work or do anything while they are practising and we actualy have to leave town at the airshow since they started blocking of roads.

fmoa (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

copa india 2004 exercise was a good showing for the su n mig,but remember, the yanks werent allow to use their bvr(beyond visual range)combat capability n they were outnumber at copa india exercises,but red flag 2008 tells a different story,when f15 n 16 were allowed to use their bvr combat capabilities,they were equally match wit the india su's,lets not forget the eurofighter,i heard it did pretty good at red flag than the indian su..

Slayix312 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

@ djsal510- You do know the Indian's only fought 4 heavily handicapped F-15's during Coop India 04 right? Oh and you should look up how F-15's man-handled their Su-30MKI's this year at red flag. = - )

Slayix312 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

The Leopard 2 is more then a match for the T-90....or should I say a more modernized T-72. I doubt the EF-2000 would have a problem with the Su-37 (which only existed as prototypes FYI). Su's are deadly though ill give them that. It seems like every-time I see a video of them on you-tube they are killing dozen's of people at air-show's. No use in wasting bombs or missile's to destroy Sukhoi's. They just destroy them-selves when you turn them on =D.

Slayix312 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

"Russia's will continue to grow massively over the next years. Without America the EU would have no chance if Russia decided to take over, i can promise you that." Eh I wouldn't be so sure. As more countries become turning greener and become less dependent on oil, Russia should weaken. Petro-dollars is what is making Russia powerful currently I'll bet this will change in the next decade. Anyway I think the EU would be more then a match for Russia if it ever came to actual war.

matoy77 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Let me re-phrase my comment then, i hate stupid ignorant bastards who think they are better than everyone else. I have nothing against americans and im sorry if my comment offended anyone. I was just pissed off at one stupid individual. So lets stop this stupid argument and accept that every country has its own strengths and weaknesses.

RichieLT (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Funny you say that, I know not one American that says The United States is a better place to live in than Europe, or that we're better than Europeans in general. But one thing i will say is Europe's media is obviously screwed up if your that brainwashed.